Comments on: Pointing Fingers | Christians Blame Metal | Metal Blames Christians http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/ Heavy Metal News, Reviews & Opinions Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:49:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Heather http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-5850 Heather Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:01:43 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-5850 whoa whoa whoa. not all christians blame music, movies, etc. I am a christian, and i have been since i was old enough to think for myself, i will be a christian until the day i die, but do i think any differently than what this article has to say? No. not at all. I see kids in my church who are there because they need a loving family. I have the GREATEST church i have ever seen. but i do think that parents are to blame. DUH. I love slayer, Megadeath, Anthrax, all the greats. Im more of a thrash metal head myself. but whatever. friends from my church and i get together and listen to whatever we want. but we all still believe the way we do, and we still all listen to what we want and we aren't going around killing people, or in any other way wrecking Havoc on humankind. I think that there is a very delicate balance to the way children should be raised, and that balance differs with each child. Everyone has a different personality and needs different things. I am very independent, however, i know others who are not, if their parents had raised them the way mine raised me, they would have some serious issues. if i was as sheltered as they were and basically caged up, i would probably have a gun to someone's head, yeah. but i would also not be listening to thrash metal.i think the blame is different for each person who goes totally psycho. for some, yeah. they could be completely sheltered from the outside world and these kids go around thinking that nothing is real or has any real consequence, but oops. it does. and another could have a severe chemical imbalace that could be treated if the parents had paid enough attention to have it diagnosed. However. There is no one to blame but these people themselves, whether they blame parental control or a form of outside stimulation, it was them who did what they did, and they have no one to blame but themselves. the only exception to this would be someone who is clinically insane or not in control of their own actions. this is a pointless debate, because neither religion nor music, video games nor parents are to blame. The blame lies with the accused. whoa whoa whoa. not all christians blame music, movies, etc. I am a christian, and i have been since i was old enough to think for myself, i will be a christian until the day i die, but do i think any differently than what this article has to say? No. not at all. I see kids in my church who are there because they need a loving family. I have the GREATEST church i have ever seen. but i do think that parents are to blame. DUH. I love slayer, Megadeath, Anthrax, all the greats. Im more of a thrash metal head myself. but whatever. friends from my church and i get together and listen to whatever we want. but we all still believe the way we do, and we still all listen to what we want and we aren’t going around killing people, or in any other way wrecking Havoc on humankind. I think that there is a very delicate balance to the way children should be raised, and that balance differs with each child. Everyone has a different personality and needs different things. I am very independent, however, i know others who are not, if their parents had raised them the way mine raised me, they would have some serious issues. if i was as sheltered as they were and basically caged up, i would probably have a gun to someone’s head, yeah. but i would also not be listening to thrash metal.i think the blame is different for each person who goes totally psycho. for some, yeah. they could be completely sheltered from the outside world and these kids go around thinking that nothing is real or has any real consequence, but oops. it does. and another could have a severe chemical imbalace that could be treated if the parents had paid enough attention to have it diagnosed. However. There is no one to blame but these people themselves, whether they blame parental control or a form of outside stimulation, it was them who did what they did, and they have no one to blame but themselves. the only exception to this would be someone who is clinically insane or not in control of their own actions. this is a pointless debate, because neither religion nor music, video games nor parents are to blame. The blame lies with the accused.

]]> By: Killthetraitor http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-5835 Killthetraitor Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:11:19 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-5835 I'm a Christian, and I LOVE heavy metal. It's true that there are some Satanic bands out there, but there are also a lot of really good metal bands. A lot of them CHRISTIAN. So, pointing fingers at these bands, it's not right, the music can't MAKE anyone do anything, and you really need to look at the person, not the things AROUND the person. That person needs to take responsibility for their actions, and I think that people blaming the music or other things around the person are just giving that person a way to avoid the responsibility they may need. I’m a Christian, and I LOVE heavy metal. It’s true that there are some Satanic bands out there, but there are also a lot of really good metal bands. A lot of them CHRISTIAN. So, pointing fingers at these bands, it’s not right, the music can’t MAKE anyone do anything, and you really need to look at the person, not the things AROUND the person. That person needs to take responsibility for their actions, and I think that people blaming the music or other things around the person are just giving that person a way to avoid the responsibility they may need.

]]> By: another anon http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-5521 another anon Thu, 21 May 2009 16:35:06 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-5521 (Inb4 /i/) Just throwing this out there - there is some AMAZING christian metal out there. Check out Theocracy, Harmony, Demon Hunter, and Vanden Plas - just to name a few. I've been a christian for most of my life, and this music has done nothing but reinforce my faith. I'd HIGHLY recommend theocracy (www.theocracymusic.com). Just superb. And also, I feel the need to clear up something. "I don’t buy it. And if you do, you are a fool. It’s just something started by politicians to control people.". WOW. Actually, Christians were PROSECUTED for their beliefs by the religious leaders of the day. Being a Christian back when it began meant death in a lot of cases. Unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation / conspiracy theorys going around that make people so anti-faith. XKCD amirite? http://xkcd.com/386/ Btw this address --> chalpirzor@garrifulio.mailexpire.com Will be active for 2 weeks. I'd love to discuss this with any of ya'll more. Even if you'd like to just tell me I'm stupid, it's all good. (Inb4 /i/)

Just throwing this out there – there is some AMAZING christian metal out there. Check out Theocracy, Harmony, Demon Hunter, and Vanden Plas – just to name a few. I’ve been a christian for most of my life, and this music has done nothing but reinforce my faith. I’d HIGHLY recommend theocracy (www.theocracymusic.com). Just superb.

And also, I feel the need to clear up something. “I don’t buy it. And if you do, you are a fool. It’s just something started by politicians to control people.”. WOW. Actually, Christians were PROSECUTED for their beliefs by the religious leaders of the day. Being a Christian back when it began meant death in a lot of cases. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of misinformation / conspiracy theorys going around that make people so anti-faith.

XKCD amirite?
http://xkcd.com/386/

Btw this address –> chalpirzor@garrifulio.mailexpire.com
Will be active for 2 weeks. I’d love to discuss this with any of ya’ll more. Even if you’d like to just tell me I’m stupid, it’s all good.

]]> By: Scott http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4758 Scott Sat, 02 May 2009 14:21:53 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-4758 Great point, Ride. The best thing about growing older and maturing is that you learn to take things in stride and not so much to heart. One of the biggest things about metal is the teaching to "Think for yourself" and that's obviously over-thought by some people. It's a great concept but rarely followed, especially by metal fans as they are influenced by their music just as much as other people are influenced by other music genres. When you get past all the superficial bullshit you learn to think for yourself and enjoy metal for what it truly and solely is...music. When you start taking the music and messages too serious, especially in anti-christian beliefs you become what you've learned to hate; people preaching to you what is right and wrong, true and false. Great point, Ride.

The best thing about growing older and maturing is that you learn to take things in stride and not so much to heart.

One of the biggest things about metal is the teaching to “Think for yourself” and that’s obviously over-thought by some people. It’s a great concept but rarely followed, especially by metal fans as they are influenced by their music just as much as other people are influenced by other music genres.

When you get past all the superficial bullshit you learn to think for yourself and enjoy metal for what it truly and solely is…music.

When you start taking the music and messages too serious, especially in anti-christian beliefs you become what you’ve learned to hate; people preaching to you what is right and wrong, true and false.

]]> By: itsalljustaride http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4748 itsalljustaride Sat, 02 May 2009 13:52:47 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-4748 I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of people looking at Metal from the outside don't understand that it's 99% show. It's a production. Even some metalheads don't get this. They get lost in the imagery. There is a really good documentary that explores this called "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey". The ultimate point is that metal is like opera. It's about grand and bombastic productions that often highlight the darker side of human nature, warfare, violence, sadism, etc, but hardly ever in a didactic "you should actually do this stuff in real life because it's cool" way. On the subject of Christians who think Metal is a source of violent drives in people, one need only look at the Bible to find some pretty gruesome examples of human behavior. And in many cases that book actually outright endorses that behavior. The point is most Christians are smart enough to look past all of it and see it for what it is. I think a big part of the problem is that a lot of people looking at Metal from the outside don’t understand that it’s 99% show. It’s a production. Even some metalheads don’t get this. They get lost in the imagery.

There is a really good documentary that explores this called “Metal: A Headbanger’s Journey”.

The ultimate point is that metal is like opera. It’s about grand and bombastic productions that often highlight the darker side of human nature, warfare, violence, sadism, etc, but hardly ever in a didactic “you should actually do this stuff in real life because it’s cool” way.

On the subject of Christians who think Metal is a source of violent drives in people, one need only look at the Bible to find some pretty gruesome examples of human behavior. And in many cases that book actually outright endorses that behavior. The point is most Christians are smart enough to look past all of it and see it for what it is.

]]> By: todd http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4603 todd Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:38:29 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-4603 i bid you all fare well & good bye. i am leaving my curent place of residency am moving on to begin my career in hard rock & heavy metal to provide the outlet for the disafected that the christian culture has created.it is alive & well with it's rigid spare the rod authoritarianism which is most prevalent in the southern states in education as well as at home.this country can't seem to get it's head out of the dark ages were childrens rights are concerned!! so much the better, you continue to create the disafected that will fill the mosh pit i will be more than happy to drive crazy & the family of heavy metal will, as always, welcome them with open arms.my name will be changed soon to keep those who wish to ride my coat tales off as well as to keep certain others private.so again i say good bye & i will see some of you open minded ones from the stage & the others? well you have shut the door so what do you care right? "were off to the witch we may never ever ever come home but the magic that we'll feel will walk a life time, we'll know for the first time if were evil or devine were the last in line....." ( lyrics by ronnie james dio ) i bid you all fare well & good bye. i am leaving my curent place of residency am moving on to begin my career in hard rock & heavy metal to provide the outlet for the disafected that the christian culture has created.it is alive & well with it’s rigid spare the rod authoritarianism which is most prevalent in the southern states in education as well as at home.this country can’t seem to get it’s head out of the dark ages were childrens rights are concerned!! so much the better, you continue to create the disafected that will fill the mosh pit i will be more than happy to drive crazy & the family of heavy metal will, as always, welcome them with open arms.my name will be changed soon to keep those who wish to ride my coat tales off as well as to keep certain others private.so again i say good bye & i will see some of you open minded ones from the stage & the others? well you have shut the door so what do you care right? “were off to the witch we may never ever ever come home but the magic that we’ll feel will walk a life time, we’ll know for the first time if were evil or devine were the last in line…..” ( lyrics by ronnie james dio )

]]> By: Steve http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4790 Steve Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:30:06 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-4790 For those of you who believe stricter gun laws are the answer, take note of australia's recent endeavors in gun control: http://thewild.zimarik.com/?p=333 Also, i should note the case of kennesaw, ga. (google it yourself). As for the christians, they have most likely been mislead, but not by some intentional conspiracy but rather by a religion that simply evolved out of older religions, all eventually rooted in astronomy. And not to jump on the bandwagon, but kat is an idiot. Just had to be said. For those of you who believe stricter gun laws are the answer, take note of australia’s recent endeavors in gun control: http://thewild.zimarik.com/?p=333
Also, i should note the case of kennesaw, ga. (google it yourself).
As for the christians, they have most likely been mislead, but not by some intentional conspiracy but rather by a religion that simply evolved out of older religions, all eventually rooted in astronomy.
And not to jump on the bandwagon, but kat is an idiot. Just had to be said.

]]> By: todd http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4756 todd Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:20:10 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-4756 patty you sent me an e-mail & i got back onto this page here only to find the same thing here & all i can say is what???? & again what ???? either you are forien,can't spell ( which mine isn't perfect but goodness)or you are flipping letters but again what ??? patty you sent me an e-mail & i got back onto this page here only to find the same thing here & all i can say is what???? & again what ???? either you are forien,can’t spell ( which mine isn’t perfect but goodness)or you are flipping letters but again what ???

]]> By: anon http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-5068 anon Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:05:15 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-5068 lolwut? lolwut?

]]> By: patty http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4295 patty Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:33 +0000 http://www.metalmartyr.com/pointing-fingers-christians-blame-metal-metal-blames-christians/#comment-4295 now I am a eelgios but contempraoy christan. I believe things liek homseoxualtiy are sin. now I'malos metla head who's rprpey buty also enjoys gothic music, 9gothic metal, gothic, rock darwavem)and punk and emo. now i don't ernjoy all forms of emtel. iodn'tr death emtal wit the excpetino ofarhcy enem posbibiyl. I do liek christan death emtal. Im' soemne woh don't the scremaign or the clean vocals. Now wihle I don't liek part ote hylris cth at satnaic, I think peope to stop blamign everthing. there are chrsitan metla ands like devil wear prada nd hcriitan liek flyleaf, and skillet, and evne christian gothc metla liek saivour machien and roaly angusih wihhc is alo christian doom. there are both and mel femaled chrsitan metla rock etc, there are christia goths for exmape too. go to christiansgoths.com, not all emtal is evil and not all us who lstien to do soemthign terible. and not all christians are like that. marlyian mansion isn't even goth. now I am a eelgios but contempraoy christan. I believe things liek homseoxualtiy are sin. now I’malos metla head who’s rprpey buty also enjoys gothic music, 9gothic metal, gothic, rock darwavem)and punk and emo. now i don’t ernjoy all forms of emtel. iodn’tr death emtal wit the excpetino ofarhcy enem posbibiyl. I do liek christan death emtal. Im’ soemne woh don’t the scremaign or the clean vocals. Now wihle I don’t liek part ote hylris cth at satnaic, I think peope to stop blamign everthing. there are chrsitan metla ands like devil wear prada nd hcriitan liek flyleaf, and skillet, and evne christian gothc metla liek saivour machien and roaly angusih wihhc is alo christian doom. there are both and mel femaled chrsitan metla rock etc, there are christia goths for exmape too. go to christiansgoths.com, not all emtal is evil and not all us who lstien to do soemthign terible. and not all christians are like that. marlyian mansion isn’t even goth.

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